Nécessaire d'armes, modèle 1831?

I have been looking for accoutrements for my Fusil d' Infanterie Mle 1842 and can find no pictures of anything, only this description, which sounds much like the Nécessaire d'armes, modèle 1866. Does anyone know much about the tools, worms, screwdrivers, etc, used with the percussion muskets?

The description below is from a book from the 1850s. Thanks for the help, and sorry for the English.

Nécessaire d'armes, modèle 1831. Corps du nécessaire : boîte, fond, tampon en bois dur, rivets du tampon, fente. — Huilier : corps, fond, trou taraudé, bouchon, rondelle en cuir. — Lame de tournevis. — Bourrenoix : tige, tête, trou. — Chasse-noix. — Trousse : compartiments pour la lame de tournevis, le bourre-noix et le chasse-noix. — L'ancien modèle n'avait pas de tampon en bois, et la fente pour la lame de tournevis était au milieu de la boîte.

Monte-ressort. Griffe, barrette, grande vis, petite vis.

Clef de cheminée* Corps, évidement, soie et sa contre-rivure ; manche en no_yer et sa virole

Hello,
"démonte ressort" and "fiole à huile" are the same as 1777:


For the "tournevis" I do not know?

Epinglette:


Tire-bourre:


I don't know "nécessaire modèle 1831".

For rifles 1777 and 1822 they are the same.
For Chassepot 1866 and Gras 1874 they are the same.

Between 1822 and 1866: mystery??

If I understand it, the earliest model of the necessaire had the screwdriver blade mounted on the side. I just found a picture on this link....
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It seems that since the "nécessaire modèle 1831" had the screwdriver on the end, it must have been very similar to the mle 1866.
So, no longer the tournevis shown in your picture, as the tournevis became a part of the necessair.

Thanks for the picture of the epinglette - I will be making one soon!

The tire-bourre looks almost identical to our .58 rifle musket worm.

david stone a écrit:

If I understand it, the earliest model of the necessaire had the screwdriver blade mounted on the side. I just found a picture on this link....
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It seems that since the "nécessaire modèle 1831" had the screwdriver on the end, it must have been very similar to the mle 1866.

Thats it.

The old screwdriver for flintlock:


In use in 1822/1840 with the 1822 flintlock system:


but no later with the 1822 T bis and 1842 cap systems:

I had thought the screwdriver for the 1777 pattern and up looked like the tournevis, to the right of the first image found here...

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Perhaps I shall make one someday. I started a tire-bourre but am not sure how to twist it best - that is for my mle 1728 musket. I started one of the screwdrivers with folding punch, it is much work!

Any clues on the nipple wrench, or whatever you might call the "piston key", or cle d' cheminee, or something like that?

Thanks for your help - it has been very useful!

I have actually no example of "clé démonte cheminée".
Perhaps 18 july because I go to a friend?

Left to right:
- scraper "nettoyeur de chambre" for muzzle loading rifle (caps or flintlock).
- armourer's scewdriver, for caps rifle.
- other scewdriver for caps rifle, maybe Helvetic?
- screwdriver for flintlock.




Details of the "nettoyeur de chambre. He is mounted on the rod.




Details of the armourer's screwdriver, with a lateral aiguillette.




The Helvetic (?) screwdriver.




Two "démonte ressorts". The oldest is at the right.

Many thanks! I am sorry I didn't get back sooner, I had trouble loggin in for some reason.
The "nettoyeur de chambre" must be for cleaning around the "tige" in the rifles from the 1840s - is this correct?
The Armourers Screwdriver looks much like one of the patterns used with the English army P53 Enfield. It has an oil bottle built in - a handy tool. Is this one French or do you know?
I really like the presumed Swiss one - it slightly resembles some of the Austrian tools we see here. I have never seen one like it.

Many thank again for posting these things, the tools, slings, and cartridge wrappings are always the hardest things to research.

Dave

Hello!
For "nettoyeur de chambre": correct.

For screwdrivers Ihave no more informations. Thanks you also!
Christian.