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Bonsoir à tous
J'ai besoin d'un coup de main s'il vous plait pour identifier l'origne du blason qui se trouve sur le capot
Merci d'avance
@+ Stef
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Cela ressemble au blason type soviétique de la Biélorussie mais cela ne s'accommode pas du tampon allemand.

Les inscriptions semblent être en cyrillique.

C'est sur quel support?

Bruno

Bonjour
Merci pour ce début d'info, c'est sur un ZB 26/MG.30(t)

Je viens de trouver ça (regarder en bas de page)

http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/topic/35705

Si j'ai bien compris, c'est une arme produite en yugoslavie entre 1928 et 1941, puis après guerre le blason monarchique est éffacé pour recevoir le nouveau blason communiste.
Donc c'est bien possible de retouver des WaA sur cette arme, car occupation de la yugoslavie par l'allemagne 2WW.

voici un copier/coller du lien
Howdy sasak6. You're missing a point there. The original poster is asking about the original model 1924 rifles purchased from Belgium by Yugoslavia or manufactured in Yugoslavia from 1928-1941.

The rifles sold by Samco (et al) are model M.24/47 rifles. These are model 1924 rifles refurbished in Yugoslavia after WWII. There's no difference to a shooter but a world of difference to the collector. The rifles were originally manufactured in a Monarchy and bear their coats of arms and other related markings. The post war rifles were refurbished by a communist regime who erased as much as they could of that defunct Monarchy and installed their own record of ownership upon them.

The top two photos show original M1924 markings and you can just make out the royal crest and model nomenclature on top of the receiver ring which you can see straight on in the 3rd image.

The 4th image shows a refurbished post WWII M.24/47, typically marked on the left side of the receiver ring. The two images below that show a couple of Communist crests.

The last pic shows another M24/47 side marking, more commonly stamped. The engraved signature of TRZ5 was unique (but not "rare" actually). On the last two pics, bottom R and bottom, you can actually see traces of the original markings of the monarchy over stamped by the communist regimes.

That, is you basic difference between what the original poster and others on this thread were asking about. The original rifles, not refurbed models, are not so easily come by and not available, except by stroke of fortune, from a retailer except possibly some like Empire arms or Allan's Armory who grade and sell each rifle in their inventory individually. Dennis will get the occasional model 1924 on his site (Empire Arms). He's not cheap by any means but, he actively seeks out rarer or higher end rifles and grades them fairly by all accounts.
I'll go out on a limb here and say he in fact does have one (model 1924 and type II carbine in fact) but I wouldn't recommend it and his grading is pretty far off the mark in this case. It's all caveat emptor and the value or "collectibility" of any single item is largely a matter of opinion.

Blason d'origine


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Par contre la frappe du blason est tres net et ne semble pas avoir ete faite par dessu un blason monarchique... ?

Bruno

effectivement j'avais pas vu, mais je n'ai pas trouvé mieux pour l'instant
merci pour ton analyse, je vais chercher à connaitre la date de production

Ce qui est etonant c'est la coexistence des deux types d'e marquages

Il semblrait que le Waffeham se trouve a plusieur endroits

Cela ne signifie til pas un passage par la commition de l'armement?

Bruno

Je viens de trouver un autre zb-30 avec le même Blason post war + WaA, mais pas avec les même marquages.
http://www.tircollection.com/t9690-fusil-mitrailleur-zb-30j